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[TS] Kayna Eelai:
This post is meant to gather all KOS related rules into one single post, for easier finding (and linking) and understanding of the rules without having to search in several posts and subforums.

KOS SEARCH ORDER

You must check using the following order Pilot > Alliance > Corporation.

If a Corporation is KOS and Alliance isn't please file a KOS request for the Alliance with proof and consider them KOS.

If Pilot is KOS remains so even if Corp or Alliance aren’t

RULES
The easy part is when the CVA KOS checker shows a player as KOS, but sometimes a little more investigation is needed.
Specially if the pilot is not listed at all in the CVA KOS checker or when he is currently in a NPC corp

1) NPC corp [Minmatar Milita NPC Corp (Tribal Liberation Front)] is considered KOS and is to be treated like a player corp when it comes to KOS checking. (source: Minmatar Militia post)
EXAMPLE FOR THIS SCENARIO
* Pilot neutral
* current: NPC corp
* previous: [Minmatar Milita NPC Corp (Tribal Liberation Front)]
* previous: blue corp or alliance
= PILOT IS KOS / because of last player corp being KOS. remember: Minmatar Militia is to be considered player corp for this matters.

2) All other NPC corps are considered the same, regardless if they are normal or militia/factional warfare ones.
EXAMPLE FOR THIS SCENARIO
* Pilot neutral
* current: NPC corp
* previous: [Amarr Militia NPC Corp (24th Imperial Crusade)]
* previous: red corp or alliance
= PILOT IS KOS / because of last player corp being KOS

3) It doesn't matter if a pilot has been in 1 or multiple NPC corps, what counts is his last player corp.
EXAMPLE FOR THIS SCENARIO
* Pilot neutral
* current: NPC corp
* previous: NPC corp
* previous: KOS corp or alliance
= PILOT IS KOS / because of last player corp being KOS

4) 1-man player corps do count like any other player corporation and are NOT KOS. If the pilot acts retarded he will be set KOS on a personal basis, so he will be KOS even if joining another corp. (Source: One man corps post)
EXAMPLE FOR THIS SCENARIO
* Pilot neutral
* current: neutral player corp. quick background check reveals it's a 1-man corp
* previous: red corp or alliance
= PILOT IS NOT KOS / because 1-man corps are no exception and considered equally valid like any other player corps


USE THE BRAIN
No rules are ever perfect or fair for everyone.
Don't just use the KOS checking tools, try to investigate on your own too. Check pilot/corp/alliance history.
For example it might be possible that a player has been 1 year in a NPC corp and his last alliance was set KOS just 3 days ago or he might just have started playing again or even bought the character.
It might not be fair, but that pilot would now be KOS. You could try to convo him, warn him that he is now KOS and encourage him to join a friendly NOT KOS corp.


OUTRO
Hello,

This was initially an "intro" but I decided to leave it for the end of the post for better viewing of the post:

As I spend lot of time on forums and chats, I have seen way too much confusion, misinformation and drama going on when it comes to define if a player is KOS or not, specially when it comes to the infamous "RED BY LAST" rule, which needed some clarifications. That's the main reason for this post.
Even veterans are confused sometimes about this rules.
And it's understandable, there are several small rules that aren't really consolidated into one place and it can become a nightmare to find all the info.
Some rules/clarifications weren't even written down and have only been passed through chat, making it even more difficult

So I decided to gather all the KOS related rules into one single post and make it as easy to understand as possible. Have it certified by our KOS admins and maybe make it sticky here on forums and intel channel MOTD

If you think something should be modified, removed or added, please let me know and I will see what I can do.


SOURCES
Above linked posts &
CVA KOS checker: http://kos.cva-eve.org/
CVA FAQ: http://www.cva-eve.org/index.php?page=faq
This post has been validated by: RattlerUND (KOS admin)


One post to rule them all, one post to find them; one post to bring them all
and in the same place bind them.

Kayna Eelai

last edit: adding a missing header text

[-DFR-] Alfred Yvormes:
This explanation of the rules is onerous and works (barely) for PvP players. It works not at all for miners or ratters who must warp immediately to safety whenever a neutral warps into the system, then begin a rigorous 5 minute or more drill down to determine if the neutral is KOS or Not KOS.

Situation for an example:
Character: night lancer shows as "Not KOS" on the CVA KOS checker - thus I'm finished, right? Well, not so fast. Apparently not as I was berated in the intel channel for not declaring him KOS. Someone thinks he is KOS by a previous corp.

CVA cross-checker = "Not KOS" should mean I'm all done and this toon should be relatively safe. (takes just a few seconds for me)
CVA cross-checker = "KOS" well, get to safety or take this guy out. (takes just a few seconds for me)
CVA cross-checker = "No results found" ok, now I bring up info on character and check his corp/alliance looking for something other than "No results found" in the CVA KOS checker. If toon is in an NPC (yes, I printed them all out for reference) then check first previous non-NPC. If everything remains "No results found" I go to http://evewho.com/ and recheck the corp and zkillboard. (this can take up to 5 minutes).

If the CVA cross-checker cannot be relied upon for accurate information then a disclaimer should be posted and all carebears should be warned to get safe and stay safe whenever a neutral is in system. Even more extreme CVA PvP ships should escort the neutral in all CVA systems, just in case they decide to get aggressive.

[TS] DuckHerder:

--- Quote from: [-DFR-] Alfred Yvormes on October 11, 2014, 03:49:05 pm ---all carebears should be warned to get safe and stay safe whenever a neutral is in system.

--- End quote ---

Umm... Isn't this what everyone tells ratters all the time? Ratting with neuts in local = asking to get ganked.

Also, for anyone who can't be bothered spending 10min looking up if someone is KOS or not, I highly recommend Pikalou's KOS Overlay (http://forum.cva-eve.org/index.php?topic=4805.0). Select a character in local, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-C and your done. It checks everyone automatically and does all the last corp and militia checks. Easy, reliable and takes 10 seconds.

[IRNP] Cherri Minoa:

--- Quote from: [RNNF ---KOS SEARCH ORDER

You must check using the following order Pilot > Alliance > Corporation.

...

If Pilot is KOS remains so even if Corp or Alliance aren’t



--- End quote ---

This is incorrect and causes massive confusion. Could it be amended please.

[TLOS] xHjfx:

--- Quote from: [.KVA.] Cherri Minoa on December 02, 2014, 06:25:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: [RNNF ---KOS SEARCH ORDER

You must check using the following order Pilot > Alliance > Corporation.

...

If Pilot is KOS remains so even if Corp or Alliance aren’t



--- End quote ---

This is incorrect and causes massive confusion. Could it be amended please.

--- End quote ---

Err I hate to burst your bubble but it is correct, vetted by a KOS admin and now confirmed by the dude managing the KOS team.

Also as per the CVA FAQ:


--- Quote ---You mentioned a KOS list, What’s that?

CVA has a KOS (Kill on Sight) list that is available at http://kos.cva-eve.org/. This list can only be viewed using the in-game browser. If you can’t access it, then contact a CVA diplomat.

You must check using the following order Pilot > Alliance > Corporation. If a Corporation is KOS and Alliance isn’t please file a KOS request for the Alliance with proof and consider them KOS. If Pilot is KOS remains so even if Corp or Alliance aren’t.

--- End quote ---

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